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Both… and: 〜も〜ば〜も

N + も + Verb-ば + N + も

N も 〜ば、N も 〜: listing two facts of the same kind, “there's A as well as B”, “both… and…”. The ば isn't a condition.

In short

〜も〜ば〜も lists two facts of the same kind: “there's A, and there's also B”, “both… and…”. Despite the ば, it isn't a condition. It's used to show variety (いい日もあれば悪い日もある) or to pile up two qualities or flaws.

  • 人生、いいこともあれば悪いこともある。じんせい、いいこともあればわるいこともある。Life has its ups and downs.
  • 彼は歌も歌えば、ダンスもする。かれはうたもうたえば、だんすもする。He sings, and he dances too.
  • 名古屋のみそかつは、好きな人もいれば、苦手な人もいる。なごやのみそかつは、すきなひともいれば、にがてなひともいる。Nagoya's misokatsu — some people love it, others can't stand it.

The basics

You set two elements side by side, each followed by も: “A too…, B too…”. The first verb is in the ば-form, the second in the normal form. The ば sets no condition: it acts as a hinge, like “on the one hand…, on the other…”.

Two uses: showing variety (there's this and there's that), or piling up two things of the same kind (he sings and he dances; it's expensive and it's bad).

The sentence, piece by piece
いいこともgood things too
あればthere are (hinge)
悪いこともbad things too
あるthere are

There's good as well as bad.

  • noun
  • verb
  • 雨も降れば、風も吹く。あめもふれば、かぜもふく。It's raining, and on top of that the wind is blowing.

How to form it

Verb: ば-form. い-adjective: 〜ければ. な-adjective or noun: 〜なら or 〜でもなければ (in the negative). The second verb is often the same as the first, or a verb of the same family.

BaseFormExample
VerbN も 〜ば、N も 〜歌も歌えば、ダンスもする
い-adjN も 〜ければ、N も 〜値段も高ければ、味も悪い
い-adj (negative)〜くもなければ、〜くもない安くもなければ、おいしくもない
ExistenceN も あれば、N も ある/いれば〜いるいい日もあれば、悪い日もある
  • あの店は安くもなければ、おいしくもない。あのみせはやすくもなければ、おいしくもない。That restaurant is neither cheap nor good.
  • あの店は値段も高ければ、サービスも悪い。あのみせはねだんもたかければ、さーびすもわるい。That shop is expensive, and the service is bad too.

Don't read it as a condition

The main trap: reading 歌も歌えば as “if he sings”. The double も is the signal: when you see N も 〜ば N も, it's a list. A condition wouldn't have this parallel structure.

  • 安ければ買う。やすければかう。If it's cheap, I'll buy it. (condition)
  • この町は海もあれば山もある。このまちはうみもあればやまもある。This town has the sea, and the mountains too. (list)

〜も〜ば〜も, 〜し〜し, 〜も〜も

〜し〜し (N4) lines up reasons or arguments (安いし、おいしいし、よく行く). 〜も〜も is the simple list. 〜も〜ば〜も is more structured, a little more written, and often carries an idea of variety or contrast.

ConstructionIdeaExample
〜も〜ば〜もboth…, and… / there's A as well as B好きな人もいれば苦手な人もいる
〜し〜しaccumulated reasons安いし、近いし、便利だ
〜も〜もA and B too, simple肉も魚も好きだ

Common mistakes

  • Reading the ば as a condition: with the double も, it's a list.
  • Changing the structure between the two halves (歌も歌えば、ダンスをする): keep the parallel N も… N も….
  • Forgetting the ければ form for い-adjectives: 高ければ, not 高いば.

7 exercises on this point

Particles to choose, sentences to put back in order, translations: marked straight away, then reviewed at the right time. This JLPT N2 point is on the Meitetsu Inuyama Line (History and traditions) of the Nagoya lines.